Let's try Ford now.

[aaronatstate]

For 2017, all engine options get 24oz of 1234yf. Though in the owners manual the Ecoboost engine capacities say 24oz and the NA engines say 1.5lbs

So yeah it’s got the capacity to cool a full 4 door cab version

[vr4]

ewww. yf in the 17+ trucks? no thank you

[aaronatstate]

Why does YF get all the hate? The YF system in my RS works just as good, if not better than the 134A system in my Stealth or the wifes Explorer.

[vr4]

Why does YF get all the hate? The YF system in my RS works just as good, if not better than the 134A system in my Stealth or the wifes Explorer.

servicing. yes they work just fine but when it comes to repairing.....yf stands for youre fucked

[aaronatstate]

Why does YF get all the hate? The YF system in my RS works just as good, if not better than the 134A system in my Stealth or the wifes Explorer.

servicing. yes they work just fine but when it comes to repairing.....yf stands for youre fucked

Why, just because it needs a separate unit to service it? Generally curious, as it's going to be come the standard at somepoint.

[vr4]

Why does YF get all the hate? The YF system in my RS works just as good, if not better than the 134A system in my Stealth or the wifes Explorer.

servicing. yes they work just fine but when it comes to repairing.....yf stands for youre fucked

Why, just because it needs a separate unit to service it? Generally curious, as it's going to be come the standard at somepoint.

cost of the refrigerant (my cost is 49/lb. 134 is just under 9/lb), self checks and tests the machine forces you to do before any charging can be done, etc. on 134 a complete recovery, vacuum, leak check, and charge takes 20-30 minutes. yf...60-90. o2 sensor that is built into the recovery machine fails after roughly 15-20hrs of use and costs about 600 bucks. machine will not operate without it.

ive heard of people charging with 134 and not having any problems but i wont do it.

[aaronatstate]

servicing. yes they work just fine but when it comes to repairing.....yf stands for youre fucked

Why, just because it needs a separate unit to service it? Generally curious, as it's going to be come the standard at somepoint.

cost of the refrigerant (my cost is 49/lb. 134 is just under 9/lb), self checks and tests the machine forces you to do before any charging can be done, etc. on 134 a complete recovery, vacuum, leak check, and charge takes 20-30 minutes. yf...60-90. o2 sensor that is built into the recovery machine fails after roughly 15-20hrs of use and costs about 600 bucks. machine will not operate without it.

ive heard of people charging with 134 and not having any problems but i wont do it.

Yeah I assume those extra checks are because of the increased flammability of the YF as compared to 134a. I get the cost is high right now, but that will definitely go down as YF becomes more mass produced. 134a was more expensive than R12 at one point too. Yeah I wouldn't charge with the wrong stuff either (I haven't read anything about any potential side effects). Everything I've read has said that while YF will become the standard, 134a is not going to go anywhere. It's not like when 134a replaced R12.

[Jeff V.]

Maybe I'll just do what sane people do and trade it in after 3 years.

[Chris GTO TT]

If we decide to sell our travel trailer then I'll be trading it in

[aaronatstate]

Maybe I'll just do what sane people do and trade it in after 3 years.

Don’t be silly!

[ChargerX3]

WTF is YF?

Lol!

[Chris GTO TT]

New style ac refrigerant

[Jeff V.]

R-1234yf. The latest ozone safe crap as of ~2015.

At least until everyone decides that's also bad and then moves on to something like Mercedes' R744 carbon dioxide refrigerant.

[aaronatstate]

The good thing with the yf is at least as of right now how the decide how good something is, it’s gonna be hard to beat yf. They use this global warming potential which equates stuff to carbon dioxide. R134 is like 1550 on that scale, 1234yf is less than 1, and R744 is 1 (because it is just CO2). So hopefully it’s here for a while.

[ChargerX3]

Can you mix the two refigerants? Wonder if my Ram has it instead of 134. Its a 17.

[vr4]

Can you mix the two refigerants? Wonder if my Ram has it instead of 134. Its a 17.

NO.

could be either one. thats right when they started changing over. check the underhood sticker.

[ChargerX3]

Google Fu says its the new YF

[Jeff V.]

Bagged a set of "used" Morimoto foglights on ebay for $50. They're not even dirty. I wonder if they were just something someone sent back before they were even installed. I think that's everything to purge the chrome from the truck. I just need to get my headlights back together so I can install it all.

[aaronatstate]

[Jeff V.]

The weather was really nice last night, so I made the decision to finally install my new lights and grille. I had to take almost the entire front end off to do it, but it really wasn't all that hard. The chrome-ectomy is almost complete. I also replaced the busted, faded grille while I had it apart.















I took a quick ride around the neighborhood after it got dark. It's lit pretty well here, but the difference in lighting was still pretty drastic. I need to find a level place to tweak the beam adjustment. It's close, but I think It can still be tweaked a bit. My driveway has too much of a slope to do it correctly.

Next up will be the black badges.