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[quote=""DCIV""]I disagree. It's way more expensive for what it is.


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You can disagree all you want. Don't buy it then.


Loaded diesel FS trucks can top 70k. New vehicles are damn expensive. They're not going to sell for 15k below new with a few miles if there is a demand for them.

In fact I just built one with a couple options but not fully loaded. Just the typical stuff you would see on one ordered as a stock vehicle for a dealer.


47k with the diesel.

The average transaction price for new cars is right around $33k. So by that metric, it's not that far out of line. I was just surprised a stripped down work truck was that high.

When you adjust for inflation, a truck like my Mighty Max would cost ~$23k today. It was right around 14 new, I think. Of course, even a stripped down Colorado work truck gives you WAY more than a 1992 Mitsubishi tin can. Stability control, traction control, ABS, better mileage, better emissions, more power. There's also this crazy thing called 'safety' The thought of even a minor accident in my truck is scary. That wouldn't even enter my mind in something like a Colorado.

[quote=""Jeff V.""]The average transaction price for new cars is right around $33k. So by that metric, it's not that far out of line. I was just surprised a stripped down work truck was that high.

When you adjust for inflation, a truck like my Mighty Max would cost ~$23k today. It was right around 14 new, I think. Of course, even a stripped down Colorado work truck gives you WAY more than a 1992 Mitsubishi tin can. Stability control, traction control, ABS, better mileage, better emissions, more power. There's also this crazy thing called 'safety' The thought of even a minor accident in my truck is scary. That wouldn't even enter my mind in something like a Colorado.[/quote]


Yup. All that shit costs money. Mandated or not it's there.

I really believe if new vehicles didn't have all the creature comforts and mandated safety requirements we would be seeing much better mpg with the new fuel management systems and better tolerances today.

Absolutely. Between all the mandated safety shit and everyone wanting to be driving around in a fully equipped living room, I'm surprised economy is as good as it is. It's a testament to the powertrain engineers.

The truck market is just insane right now. My dad just picked up a new Chevy Silverado High Country and it was over $50k MSRP. That same week, my mom picked up a new Mercedes E550 convertible for $56k ($70k MSRP). It's amazing that there wasn't much difference in price at the end of the day between the 2 vehicles comparing to what you actually get and the production volume difference as well. Trucks used to be cheap. I remember buying my 2002 GMC Sierra brand new for around $20k after rebates.

It starts to make sense when you stop thinking of it as a 'truck' and start thinking of it as a 'tall 'Murican luxury car' .

I still don't know how anyone buys brand new unless it's a very specialty vehicle. Just too much loss in the first 2/3 years.


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[quote=""DCIV""]I still don't know how anyone buys brand new unless it's a very specialty vehicle. Just too much loss in the first 2/3 years.


Coop[/quote]

There is a nice thing about having a full warranty, and having a vehicle that you know exactly how it's been driven, and taken care of it's entire life. Plus if you can get 0% for 6 years like I did, then it's even better.

I like to think that if most people pay full price then they can also show you if its been taken care of...aka oil changes and what not. Its really hard to mess up a car in 30k miles that you can't find whats wrong. I still dont think the amount you saved for having 0% would come close to make up the depreciation that happened in just a couple years of owning the car. You can also buy 2/3 year old cars that have full factory warranty.


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[quote=""DCIV""]I like to think that if most people pay full price then they can also show you if its been taken care of...aka oil changes and what not.[/quote]

You'd be surprised. I saw plenty of cars when I was working at the dealership that came in beat to shit and not take care of, that were bought brand new. One lady had 197,000 miles on her car in just over 5 years, and was curious as to why her timing belt broke, well she'd never replaced it...

[quote=""DCIV""]I still dont think the amount you saved for having 0% would come close to make up the depreciation that happened in just a couple years of owning the car. You can also buy 2/3 year old cars that have full factory warranty.

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I'm not saying I saved money, but not having to pay interest is pretty darn hard to pass up. And most full factory warranties expire at 3 years and 36,000 miles, so buying a 2-3 year old car with 30,000 miles gets you almost no warranty, unless you pay for an extended warranty.

0% is nice. Interest rates are so cheap right now that it's even hard to complain about any of them. Obviously any real car person would not buy a 5yeae 200k mike car without some sort of service record.

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It also helps when you have money to spend. You can buy exactly what you want without having to go on an egg hunt to find it in the exact condition you want it. My uncle just did that with a Lexus IS convertible. He wanted red exterior with white interior and under a certain mileage. It took him months of searching to find one. All that time wasted to find exactly what he wanted because it was a few years old. My mom searched around for a while for the right mercedes, and she was buying new. She didn't want to order something and wait months. So, buying something in stock was really ideal. Especially since they are willing to give you the best deal to move it. When buying special order, it's hard to get a good price. She got lucky and found exactly what she wanted, but in a better model, that was a model year left over (and with the next model year about to release). So, they discounted heavily.

Plus, with my parents being old, they want a warranty. They don't want a hassle. They joke with me about their old cars being too nice for me to buy

Hans wrote:Plus, with my parents being old, they want a warranty. They don't want a hassle. They joke with me about their old cars being too nice for me to buy

That's exactly why my mom is leasing a 2014 Kia Sportage right now. It's actually a pretty decent little cute ute

Yea, once my parents hit a certain age (probably mid 70's) they will probably switch to leasing rather than buying new. You just don't want to be stuck in a vehicle for too long at that age. No telling when you won't be able to drive the damn thing . Of course my mom is now ripping around in a twin turbo V8 mercedes.... so I can't tell when they plan on slowing down haha.

My parents would still have a 2010 Camaro if my dad hadn't died.

[quote=""Jeff V.""]My parents would still have a 2010 Camaro if my dad hadn't died. [/quote]

Sorry to hear about your dad. I don't think I knew?

I didn't say much about it on here. It'll be 5 years this Friday.

Perks of the new job: I get to drive a 2017 Honda Ridgeline.

Probably the most affordable midsize pickup of all the options available and with the latest redesign it looks like a good truck finally. They got rid of the "sail panels" and added a body line to divide the bed from the cab like a normal pickup.

It's also the least powerful of all the available options (282hp/252tq) but it has a clever AWD system that disables power to the rear wheels when not needed and also shuts down individual cylinders during cruising. Being an all aluminum frame it also is the lightest. All this adds up to great milage (26mpg freeway) and 5000lbs towing capacity.

There's also 7 different trims but that's how Honda is with their option packages but the basic one still comes with lots of goodies and is priced very well (staring at $30k).

Greg wrote:They got rid of the "sail panels" and added a body line to divide the bed from the cab like a normal pickup.

I read an interesting comment about that in a Ridgeline review.

It's still a unibody truck based on the Odyssey minivan chassis. That line is just a rubber gasket. They technically could have made the whole side of the body out of one stamping, but they split it in two to make collision repair easier.

Making it look more 'truck like' was allegedly just a side effect.

I wouldn't directly compare it to actual body on frame trucks like the Colorado or anything else, but I still think it's perfect for what most suburban households actually need. Occasional trips to Home Depot or the garden center, or moving a kid to college. The Subaru Baja was the same idea. I'm disappointed they didn't sell better.

Sadly, most people will still buy a 'real' truck because marketing and perception, and then never use 1/3 of the capabilities it offers.