[quote=""Brandonscar""]What does Josh sell and what is his company's name? I like buy parts and never installing them.[/quote]
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DR"s Stroker Dyno #s
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[quote=""DCIV""]Josh, LSE, ss tcase and huge single turbo maker. Kick ass guy too.
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[quote=""AudibleSilence""]Hmmm... One might interpret this as a threat. What exactly do you mean Josh?[/quote]
I hope you weren't implying anything about me, thats really it. We (LSE) have been all over the oil pump issues/designs/culprits and back 3 times already...
Its why we dropped production on them, there are solutions to all the "problems" that don't involve billet gears, the gears would be for piece of mind only.
Matt's pump fragged on the dyno, it sucks he lost his motor as I killed 2 pumps and didn't loose one motor last season. Of course my home is the dyno and his is the track so I can imagine they were discracted as to why they didn't catch the loss of oil. (actually I killed both of my pumps street racing)
The fact of the matter is Matt dyno'd to see what his car does AND to blow 3sx's inflated numbers out of the water.
/thread or move it to thermal so we can actually get going on this topic, I am boiling
I hope you weren't implying anything about me, thats really it. We (LSE) have been all over the oil pump issues/designs/culprits and back 3 times already...
Its why we dropped production on them, there are solutions to all the "problems" that don't involve billet gears, the gears would be for piece of mind only.
Matt's pump fragged on the dyno, it sucks he lost his motor as I killed 2 pumps and didn't loose one motor last season. Of course my home is the dyno and his is the track so I can imagine they were discracted as to why they didn't catch the loss of oil. (actually I killed both of my pumps street racing)
The fact of the matter is Matt dyno'd to see what his car does AND to blow 3sx's inflated numbers out of the water.
/thread or move it to thermal so we can actually get going on this topic, I am boiling
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[quote=""AudibleSilence""]Well that is exactly what I meant..I didn't know how to take it, so I thought it best to ask. No sense in getting riled up over miscommunication over the net. My point was/is that it was said that the pumps are shit. Many people began to panic, where was the post saying "It wasn't the pump failure because of crappy manufacturing, I just fucked up and didn't recognize the drop in oil pressure running the engine dry?" I saw that posted by Matt originally, but once the "The pumps failed US OMG" posts started I didn't see him say "Wait a minute...it isn't ALL of the pumps." People actually started to question if mitsu cheapened out on the newer style pumps...
You have said more in this thread to quell the fervor than was ever said in that thread. Again, we all make mistakes, but to blame the pump's manufacturing and not personal neglect seemed a bit fucked up to me.
Thanks for the post Josh
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LOL, no I actually read this board, just not all the time .
No one put up the "josh" spotlight.
Pretty much the pumps can failure from a few things:
1)Improper balance. You can't perfectly balance a 60 degree v6, but I do recommend "over" balancing them.
2)Harmonics, thats why dampeners are cool boys and girls
3)Clearances, thats why you check your shit before you put it together.
4)Oil pressure/viscosity. That is why I run Redline 10w30, slippery stuff and protects similar to a 50 weight oil. Thats my I have crushed oil squirters in all of our blocks and shimmed relief valves. Great oil pressures without having to take up "slop" in gears.
5)Bent cranks. Make a crank, mag it twice
. I had a 1.5" crack around #6, .5" around #5 and 1/4" crack around rod journal #1 . I mag'd the crank for shits and giggles after 8k of 9000rpm fury at 25+psi.
Thats really about it. Mostly its harmonics/rpm related, sometimes its lack of oil.
Edit:
There I finally did it, I posted tech on this forum as well, anyone have a gun so I can put it in my mouth?
No sense in getting riled up over miscommunication over the net. My point was/is that it was said that the pumps are shit. Many people began to panic, where was the post saying "It wasn't the pump failure because of crappy manufacturing, I just fucked up and didn't recognize the drop in oil pressure running the engine dry?" I saw that posted by Matt originally, but once the "The pumps failed US OMG" posts started I didn't see him say "Wait a minute...it isn't ALL of the pumps." People actually started to question if mitsu cheapened out on the newer style pumps...You have said more in this thread to quell the fervor than was ever said in that thread. Again, we all make mistakes, but to blame the pump's manufacturing and not personal neglect seemed a bit fucked up to me.
Thanks for the post Josh
[/quote]LOL, no I actually read this board, just not all the time
.No one put up the "josh" spotlight.
Pretty much the pumps can failure from a few things:
1)Improper balance. You can't perfectly balance a 60 degree v6, but I do recommend "over" balancing them.
2)Harmonics, thats why dampeners are cool boys and girls
3)Clearances, thats why you check your shit before you put it together.
4)Oil pressure/viscosity. That is why I run Redline 10w30, slippery stuff and protects similar to a 50 weight oil. Thats my I have crushed oil squirters in all of our blocks and shimmed relief valves. Great oil pressures without having to take up "slop" in gears.
5)Bent cranks. Make a crank, mag it twice
. I had a 1.5" crack around #6, .5" around #5 and 1/4" crack around rod journal #1 . I mag'd the crank for shits and giggles after 8k of 9000rpm fury at 25+psi.Thats really about it. Mostly its harmonics/rpm related, sometimes its lack of oil.
Edit:
There I finally did it, I posted tech on this forum as well, anyone have a gun so I can put it in my mouth?
Re: DR"s Stroker Dyno #s
[quote=""niterydr""]AND to blow 3sx's inflated numbers out of the water[/quote]
What ARE they making?
What ARE they making?
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Re: DR"s Stroker Dyno #s
[quote=""Shawn96VR-4""]What ARE they making?[/quote]
I really don't want to go there, but judgeing by what their car does, fuel consumption, and turbo sizes (aka airflow potential), I would imagine my setup from last season and their car are in a similar ballpark, within 5% power I'd imagine, but they are using some shot...I wasn't yet.
Its just that different dyno's read differently
I really don't want to go there, but judgeing by what their car does, fuel consumption, and turbo sizes (aka airflow potential), I would imagine my setup from last season and their car are in a similar ballpark, within 5% power I'd imagine, but they are using some shot...I wasn't yet.
Its just that different dyno's read differently
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[quote=""Shawn96VR-4""]Pussy. [/quote]
Not worth the e-swinging contest. My car is slow and my budget is horrible.
If they want to make power on the dyno, Steve has my number and I do travel and tune.
[/quote]Not worth the e-swinging contest. My car is slow and my budget is horrible.
If they want to make power on the dyno, Steve has my number and I do travel and tune.
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[quote=""niterydr""]Not worth the e-swinging contest. My car is slow and my budget is horrible.[/quote]
LOL
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Re: DR"s Stroker Dyno #s
[quote=""niterydr""]LOL, no I actually read this board, just not all the time .
No one put up the "josh" spotlight.
Pretty much the pumps can failure from a few things:
1)Improper balance. You can't perfectly balance a 60 degree v6, but I do recommend "over" balancing them.
2)Harmonics, thats why dampeners are cool boys and girls
3)Clearances, thats why you check your shit before you put it together.
4)Oil pressure/viscosity. That is why I run Redline 10w30, slippery stuff and protects similar to a 50 weight oil. Thats my I have crushed oil squirters in all of our blocks and shimmed relief valves. Great oil pressures without having to take up "slop" in gears.
5)Bent cranks. Make a crank, mag it twice . I had a 1.5" crack around #6, .5" around #5 and 1/4" crack around rod journal #1 . I mag'd the crank for shits and giggles after 8k of 9000rpm fury at 25+psi.
Thats really about it. Mostly its harmonics/rpm related, sometimes its lack of oil.
Edit:
There I finally did it, I posted tech on this forum as well, anyone have a gun so I can put it in my mouth?[/quote]
Jon Wieman (LethalVR4) put a brand new pump on a brand new factory block. The oil pump seized during the first start up. The oil pump housing cracked and the crank snout was damaged. Everything was checked, but opening the oil pump. Mitsubishi wouldn't warranty the oil pump and pay for the crank and labor unless they opened the oil pump and found it was their fault. Jon asked if a neutral third party could open it and Mitsu declined. Jon asked to be present with an expert and his lawyers when Mitsu opened it and they declined. Jon considered pursuing things legally, but gave up because it wasn't worth the hassle. He just had another big f#ck you from Mitsubishi to put on the list of times they've screwed him.....that list also has his transfer case they wouldn't recall.
I personally installed a new oil pump as part of a 120k on one of Bob Forrest's DOHC non-turbos. I checked the bearings and they were fine, so I didn't replace them. The pump worked fine for a few hundred miles, but then it fragged itself. The case was cracked like the gears had displaced themselves. All clearances and anything else related were checked on that motor and were fine. The pump just fragged.
The only thing not checked on these motors was the engine balance. I could see bad balance causing the frag on Forrest's car, but the bearings were fine after 120k. I see no way that balance could frag Jon's pump. All he did was start it.
I did install about 6 other pumps around this time and did not have a problem with any of them. However a friend with a 99 Eclipse GSX fragged his race motor in a similar manner. His parts guy admitted a few pumps had come back recently. They gave him a new pump, but would not pay for his race motor. AMS would not warranty it either, even though they built the motor and put the pump on themselves. How's that for a kick in the nuts?
Anyway, that's my two cents on the oil pump failures.
.No one put up the "josh" spotlight.
Pretty much the pumps can failure from a few things:
1)Improper balance. You can't perfectly balance a 60 degree v6, but I do recommend "over" balancing them.
2)Harmonics, thats why dampeners are cool boys and girls
3)Clearances, thats why you check your shit before you put it together.
4)Oil pressure/viscosity. That is why I run Redline 10w30, slippery stuff and protects similar to a 50 weight oil. Thats my I have crushed oil squirters in all of our blocks and shimmed relief valves. Great oil pressures without having to take up "slop" in gears.
5)Bent cranks. Make a crank, mag it twice
. I had a 1.5" crack around #6, .5" around #5 and 1/4" crack around rod journal #1 . I mag'd the crank for shits and giggles after 8k of 9000rpm fury at 25+psi.Thats really about it. Mostly its harmonics/rpm related, sometimes its lack of oil.
Edit:
There I finally did it, I posted tech on this forum as well, anyone have a gun so I can put it in my mouth?[/quote]
Jon Wieman (LethalVR4) put a brand new pump on a brand new factory block. The oil pump seized during the first start up. The oil pump housing cracked and the crank snout was damaged. Everything was checked, but opening the oil pump. Mitsubishi wouldn't warranty the oil pump and pay for the crank and labor unless they opened the oil pump and found it was their fault. Jon asked if a neutral third party could open it and Mitsu declined. Jon asked to be present with an expert and his lawyers when Mitsu opened it and they declined. Jon considered pursuing things legally, but gave up because it wasn't worth the hassle. He just had another big f#ck you from Mitsubishi to put on the list of times they've screwed him.....that list also has his transfer case they wouldn't recall.
I personally installed a new oil pump as part of a 120k on one of Bob Forrest's DOHC non-turbos. I checked the bearings and they were fine, so I didn't replace them. The pump worked fine for a few hundred miles, but then it fragged itself. The case was cracked like the gears had displaced themselves. All clearances and anything else related were checked on that motor and were fine. The pump just fragged.
The only thing not checked on these motors was the engine balance. I could see bad balance causing the frag on Forrest's car, but the bearings were fine after 120k. I see no way that balance could frag Jon's pump. All he did was start it.
I did install about 6 other pumps around this time and did not have a problem with any of them. However a friend with a 99 Eclipse GSX fragged his race motor in a similar manner. His parts guy admitted a few pumps had come back recently. They gave him a new pump, but would not pay for his race motor. AMS would not warranty it either, even though they built the motor and put the pump on themselves. How's that for a kick in the nuts?
Anyway, that's my two cents on the oil pump failures.
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[quote=""disturbedkorn""]Jon Wieman (LethalVR4) put a brand new pump on a brand new factory block. The oil pump seized during the first start up. The oil pump housing cracked and the crank snout was damaged. Everything was checked, but opening the oil pump. Mitsubishi wouldn't warranty the oil pump and pay for the crank and labor unless they opened the oil pump and found it was their fault. Jon asked if a neutral third party could open it and Mitsu declined. Jon asked to be present with an expert and his lawyers when Mitsu opened it and they declined. Jon considered pursuing things legally, but gave up because it wasn't worth the hassle. He just had another big f#ck you from Mitsubishi to put on the list of times they've screwed him.....that list also has his transfer case they wouldn't recall.
I personally installed a new oil pump as part of a 120k on one of Bob Forrest's DOHC non-turbos. I checked the bearings and they were fine, so I didn't replace them. The pump worked fine for a few hundred miles, but then it fragged itself. The case was cracked like the gears had displaced themselves. All clearances and anything else related were checked on that motor and were fine. The pump just fragged.
The only thing not checked on these motors was the engine balance. I could see bad balance causing the frag on Forrest's car, but the bearings were fine after 120k. I see no way that balance could frag Jon's pump. All he did was start it.
I did install about 6 other pumps around this time and did not have a problem with any of them. However a friend with a 99 Eclipse GSX fragged his race motor in a similar manner. His parts guy admitted a few pumps had come back recently. They gave him a new pump, but would not pay for his race motor. AMS would not warranty it either, even though they built the motor and put the pump on themselves. How's that for a kick in the nuts?
Anyway, that's my two cents on the oil pump failures.[/quote]
Yeah I heard about that one, talk about a weird failure.. The only thing I could think of was maybe it bound when it was installed? Maybe it was already cracked/damaged from the factory? Dropped on install?
I personally installed a new oil pump as part of a 120k on one of Bob Forrest's DOHC non-turbos. I checked the bearings and they were fine, so I didn't replace them. The pump worked fine for a few hundred miles, but then it fragged itself. The case was cracked like the gears had displaced themselves. All clearances and anything else related were checked on that motor and were fine. The pump just fragged.
The only thing not checked on these motors was the engine balance. I could see bad balance causing the frag on Forrest's car, but the bearings were fine after 120k. I see no way that balance could frag Jon's pump. All he did was start it.
I did install about 6 other pumps around this time and did not have a problem with any of them. However a friend with a 99 Eclipse GSX fragged his race motor in a similar manner. His parts guy admitted a few pumps had come back recently. They gave him a new pump, but would not pay for his race motor. AMS would not warranty it either, even though they built the motor and put the pump on themselves. How's that for a kick in the nuts?
Anyway, that's my two cents on the oil pump failures.[/quote]
Yeah I heard about that one, talk about a weird failure.. The only thing I could think of was maybe it bound when it was installed? Maybe it was already cracked/damaged from the factory? Dropped on install?
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how many of those were running lightened flywheels?
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How many of them were trying to sing the Austrian national athem while hoping up and down on one foot while balancing a ball on their head while installing the pump on the second saturday of the month with a full moon?
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[quote=""Wolf_Zero""]How many of them were trying to sing the Austrian national athem while hoping up and down on one foot while balancing a ball on their head while installing the pump on the second saturday of the month with a full moon?[/quote]
3, its an ancient mitsu ritual said to bring good fortune
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Is the shen I'm about to pull and the laughs that ensue = to or > the payback my wife is likely to impose? If yes. Shens. If no. Shens.[/quote]
12:12 am: if the phone charger is a penis, and the chargy bit inside the phone is the vagina, i made my phones vagina prolapse on itself and cause catastrophic failure
[quote=""Seraflame""]Fear has nothing to do with it. It's a simple equation.
Is the shen I'm about to pull and the laughs that ensue = to or > the payback my wife is likely to impose? If yes. Shens. If no. Shens.[/quote]
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Re: DR"s Stroker Dyno #s
[quote=""Wolf_Zero""]How many of them were trying to sing the Austrian national athem while hoping up and down on one foot while balancing a ball on their head while installing the pump on the second saturday of the month with a full moon?[/quote]
At least one. :suspect2:
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At least one. :suspect2:
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